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words like you'll never take

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back our country with weakness,

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never show strength.

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Do you think he committed any

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crime and what about protections

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for free speech?

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>> I think he possibly did

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commit incitement to violence.

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Protections for speech.

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That's protection we as private

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citizens have against the

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government, protects us from the

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government repressing our speech

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if it doesn't like it.

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Don't normally think of the

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government possessing it.

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Would be unusual for the

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president to say he's immune to

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the consequences O his speech

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because of the first amendment.

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Not typically how the

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constitution works.

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>> While there is no precedent,

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could president trump pardon

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himself before he leaves office

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and what would that protect him

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from?

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That's just federal for example

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and if it were inciting a riot,

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is it a federal crime?

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>> So first question, yes, he

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could pardon himself, although

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it's never been done, whether

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that would actually shield him

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from criminal prosecution is

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different question.

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Federal prosecution, just

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because he pardons himself

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doesn't mean the department of

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justice under the Biden

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administration would necessarily

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agree that was valid.

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I think there's an argument that

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pardoning himself would make the

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justice department potentially

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more likely to attempt to pursue

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criminal charges against him in

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part because would be a

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dangerous precedent to allow a

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president to pardon himself and

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thereby escape all criminal

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responsibility in the federal

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system.

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And department of justice has

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typically taken the position

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it's not permissionable.

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Definitely not shield him in

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state prosecution.

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Criminal proceedings in Georgia

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based on his phone call to

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secretary of state Brad

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raffensperger.

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Nothing in a pardon given

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himself or potentially vice

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president Mike pence as acting

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president if president trump

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leaves office, none would shield

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him from potential state

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criminal prosecution.

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>> And heard words used like

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edition, insurrection, and

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treason.

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It's along the lines of

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disorderly conduct, forcibly

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entering restricted building.

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Were the acts by people in the

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mob more like sedition?

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>> I think the reason we're

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seeing charges of breaking and

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entering at this point, those

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are very easy charges to prove.

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I don't think we should assume

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we won't see anything more

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serious.

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Sedition and seditious

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conspiracy are federal offenses

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and threatening to overthrow or

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harm the government and obstruct

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the execution of laws.

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Those charges take more time to

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build.

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You have to figure out what

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intentions of the players were.

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What conversations preceded the